Lesson 2: The True Purpose of Assessment
You’ll learn:
- What’s the difference between formative and summative assessment and how it’s not just one is quiz and one is a unit test;
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Lesson 2: The True Purpose of Assessment – Discussion
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What was your big take away from this particular lesson?
What is something you are still wondering?
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I am so glad for this lesson. It is something that I will need to think about when I revisit my own past practices and revamp most of my so-called assessments. Thank you so much!!!
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HI @clarissarothe , so glad this lesson hit home for you.
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I have heard of these ideas before but did not integrate them in my teaching. I am pumped to do that starting next semester!
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Formative assessment is not an instrument it is a process. I love that statement. For me it help to summarize what it is and what it isn’t
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So here the thing, this year i have been working on mind growth set but we just had exams and the students fell into the Bell Curve and are crushed. I feel like I failed. For a short period of time, I had students leaning in and working on the math but they were not able to perform on the January exam. Now I have a lot of students wondering what happened? I too am wondering. I give formative assessments but need to do better at improving my instructions to help those who struggled. It seems we are always moving ahead in order to cover the outcomes. I still feel like my am sorting students for grade 10. I realize that students already came with gaps in their math but I find it frustrating that I am not as far along as I had hoped.
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I appreciate the distinction that formative assessments should be assessments FOR learning. My struggle has been how to incorporate this into 20 minute rotations without losing instructional and practice time with my students. Looking forward to learning more!
I completely understand Mary Ali’s frustration with also trying to foster growth mindset…my third graders already get so discouraged if they don’t get things correct the first time. I need to know how to assess FOR learning and help students appreciate the growth they are making.
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These are definitely difficult challenges that we are all working through.
When you say 20 minute rotations, is this a centre rotation schedule? Can you tell us more about this?
Kyle
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As the educator, I know that most of my assessments are formative, however even the smallest exit ticket has students (grade 6) feeling anxious because they think that everything we do is “for marks”. I use Jo Boaler’s 7 Positive norms, and am constantly pointing them out as they are on the wall in front of the students, but still, they show anxiety when it comes to math. Math anxiety is a real hurdle in many classrooms, and despite my multiple strategies, it’s still an issue in my room. What I’m trying to say is, how do I help students understand that their grade isn’t the important part of the math course that I teach.
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One of my biggest takeaways is that standardized assessments should be used to improve instruction, and not to grade a student or label them as proficient or not proficient. I think that as teachers, sometimes we look at the results and don’t use that data to inform our next steps, especially in math. Too many times we decide to continue on with our next lesson without taking time to help those that did not understand the original content.
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I loved the reminder that formative assessment is a process. So often school systems what to report on the progress. I really wish report cards could also reflect this process rather than it being the “end.”
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The true purpose of formative assessment is aiding instruction. Using this information properly is essential in improving learning.
I still wonder how to get parents on board with a new way of grading like standards-based. Many of the parents I work with are only interested in a numerical grade.
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So what would you put in your mark book when you have conducted a formative assessment? Anecdotal notes, a mark for that day and then reassess it later to chart growth, or do you leave it out of your mark book altogether?
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This lesson didn’t really touch on summative assessments. Do you have formative and summative assessments, or is just about everything categorized as formative except the final mark?
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My takeaway is the shift in thinking when we look as formative assessment as a process, rather than a tool or an event.
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I love the definition you provided for formative assessments being “any strategy, tool, and process” for helping us learn how to better help our students grow. Some of the most heated debates I have witnessed between teachers over the years has been about the difference between formative and summative assessments. This really helped cement that difference for me.
My biggest question at the moment is how can all of this be successfully organized and structured in classrooms?
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I love the new terminology or formative assessment as a process. I think a lot of teachers do it more than they think. Warm ups , questioning strategies, even having students work on a problem on white boards are formative assesments. I am interested on more detail about how we can incorporate these into our grades without killing ourselves with work in a way that is fair and can be justified to parents and students.
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The redefining of formative assessment as a process rather than as a tool is a key idea, I think. There’s formative assessment built into a lot of what we do – even when we sit next to kids and have them take us through how they’re thinking about a problem. My struggle tends to be with documentation. I tend to keep a lot of those conversations in my head. I’ve tried sticky notes and notebooks, but I only end up looking back on them much later, when it’s too late. I use the “stuff in my head” to generally guide next steps (do we proceed? do we spend more time?), which, I know, is definitely not the way to go. I do document any written assessments (like checkpoints) on a standards-based system, but it’s the other parts I’m not doing well on.
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This lesson has broadened my understanding of formative assessment.i had learnt in the past years’ hat formative assessment is a process and continuous and It should help in the learning process of students. The missing part of the assessment is the “how”. This course is exciting.
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Maria Carmela Sanchez.
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Maria Carmela Sanchez.
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Maria Carmela Sanchez.
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Great reflections here, friends!
A big take away I’m hearing from @maria-carmela-sanchez-magallanes @tania-ash @sunni-burns and many others along this thread is the idea of formative assessment as a process. As Maria was mentioning, the hardest part is the “how”. Like so many other aspects of effective mathematics instruction, I think it is both a science and an art which means it takes a LOT of planning, thinking, and refining as you go.
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I definitely have used the concept of formative assessments for grades. Often admin pressures us to put a certain number of grades in the book per week. I want to use things as formative assessments are intended, but often fall back on old practices. This is especially hard with shared courses that are supposed to follow the same practices regardless of the teacher so that a grade means the same thing regardless of the teacher.
Basically to me this sounds like most formative assessments may not even be written down. I do a lot of formative assessments by having all students working on the whiteboard to solve questions for the current topic, I’m able to watch 16 students working the same problem at the same time and then adjust the learning based on their progress, it is a beautiful thing, I just haven’t really thought of it as a formative assessment before.
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This is so true. The point of assessment must be to lead our teaching so that we can maximise learning.
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I used to do quizzes the same way that Jon described and now look at them as what can I do differently to reach the few or many students that didn’t get the math topic.
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Assessment vs Evaluation and the idea of Formative Assessment as a process. We say we use common formative assessments, but if we don’t do anything with the results (provided actionable feedback to students), it really is more of an evaluation tool.
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So true! I often wonder why we do so much “assessment” and grading if it isn’t to inform instruction and push student thinking forward?
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We have to rethink about assessment and shift our priorities towards our students ‘learning.
The common misconception: formative=quiz & summative=test.
I need to learn more about different strategies for each
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I’m glad you’re in this journey with us. This course outlines strategies foe each! Keep learning.
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I get frustrated when we sit around looking at assessment results and data pass the time of learning and not during the learning process. In addition, we do not use the data to form or adapt our teaching to help the students in their process of learning math concepts. The pass few years I have been using assessments for learning more than I ever have and it has been useful. I guess a few things that come to mind and that I am wondering about it how to use those assessments for learning to mold your teaching practices. What if one assessment revealed 50% of the class has mastered the concepts but the other half are struggling? When do you know to move to the next concept without leaving students behind or remaining on the same concept and possibly boring the other students that have mastered the concept.
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Great questions here @j.pelletier . Module 2 will reveal some good insight here.
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Jon Orr.
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The idea that formative assessments were more about the tools resonated with me. I know if I asked my staff about formative assessments, they would say we give quizzes or exit tickets. But if there is no feedback loop to improve learning then…
I wonder what kind of structures we need to put in place to ensure we close that feedback loop and just don’t keep giving quizzes and expecting kids to change behavior if they’re grades on quizzes isn’t good.
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It certainly is a big mindset change for many (including us when we began this journey).
I wonder if maybe starting with learning goals might be a place to begin the discussion? When we look at our “grades” do we really know what students know understand and can do specifically? If not, maybe that could be a start?
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For years we have been using EQAO data to try and inform out teaching – wasting time
We should have been using that time to talk to teachers about using just in time assessment to support students’ mathematical growth. How to create these assessments – what to look for – how to use the just in time data and information to continue to not only improve student learning, but to improve teachers’ observation abilities as well.
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So true @laradonsky . While EQAO can provide us with summative assessment data which in turn can help the next batch of students (if we use the data to help us modify) we could spend more time learning strategies that help the students we have. That effort will compound!
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I agree with you Lara, EQAO was a big time waster. This year will be the second year without the EQAO test and no time spent prepping for the test. It never served a purpose in formative assessment. I was tired of finishing a unit/chapter (silo) of study and then giving students practice EQAO questions, only to model the different levels of how to answer the questions. Grade 6 is an awesome curriculum to teach but EQAO at the end of the year puts a real damper on it.
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Great to get clarity on summative versus formative and that formative must be while the learning is happening. So many hours seems to be spent by schools entering data about students onto school management systems but no teaching rolls out of that so its such wasted effort.
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Exactly @carol-butel . Gathering data is important..but we need to USE IT to help students with their thinking and understanding.
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Great info on the difference between formative and summative assessment. I’m left with the question of how to incorporate this into the grade book? Should I give a student a grade on a formative assessment that helped me learn about their learning? Further, can I/how do I give a student a grade from a conversation we had about their learning? That seems disingenuous to the student and almost a “gotcha”. I’m sure these will be answered in the future.
Another lingering question is how can I make sure students use the data/feedback from formative assessments?
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