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  • Lesson 6-4: Types of Ratios – Discussion

    Posted by Jon on December 6, 2019 at 6:34 am

    Create or reference a previously shared scenario involving a ratio relationship and attempt to represent it using two (2) or more ratio constructs.

    Share your reflection below along with any wonders you still have.

    Kyle Pearce replied 10 months ago 16 Members · 22 Replies
  • 22 Replies
  • marianne aamodt

    Member
    July 20, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Milk costs $4.50 for 4 L. What is the unit price?

    COST | Litres

    $4.50 X 1/4 | 4 X 1/4

    |

    $1.13 | 1

    Ratio as a quotient:

    $4.50 divided by 4 L of milk

    Ratio as a rate:

    Milk is $1.13 per litre of milk

    I have to get used to thinking of multiplying by a fraction instead of dividing. I’m curious as to why this is easier for kids. Don’t they still have to think about division to “do the math”?

    I am interested in moving farther and seeing how to do this algebraically. I’ve always found the input/output “machines” (table of values) that are found in MMS texts starting about gr. 4 (?) to be very confusing – not only for kids! I wonder: how does this turn into graphing linear relations? Looking forward to finding out!

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  • Jeanette Cox

    Member
    November 10, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    Thinking of the piano keyboard the following ratio problem represents a multiplicative relationship of black keys to white keys per octave. Then reframed the ratio to a composed unit by comparing octaves to black keys and then determining the unit rate of black keys to octaves.

  • Heidi Peterson

    Member
    November 28, 2020 at 11:28 am

    13 out of 52 cards are hearts. 13/52 of the cards are hearts.

    13:39 “13 hearts to 39 non-hearts cards”

  • John Sasko

    Member
    December 7, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    It costs John $30 to fill his car’s gas tank (12 gallon capacity).

    What is John’s cost for gas?

    Ratio as Quotient: $30 dollars divided by 12 gallons.

    Ratio as Rate: $2.50 per 1 gallon of gas

  • Brent Sturtevant

    Member
    December 7, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    currently one way I have been looking at with dilation and slope. If the width is 15 and height is 10, then similar one is 30 and 20 respectively. So the ratio of heights is 15 to 30 and the rate(slope or scale factor) is 2:1. Breaking it down in this manner and showing it this manner has helped tremendously.

  • Aaron Davis

    Member
    December 12, 2020 at 2:00 am

    Part to Part Ratio

    7 Canadian based NHL teams to 24 US based NHL teams. 24:7 or 7:24

    Part to Whole Ratio

    7 Canadian teams to 31 total NHL teams. 7 thirty oneths of the group are Canadian based teams.

  • Nicole Jackson

    Member
    March 5, 2021 at 10:27 pm

    5 out of the 12 eggs in the carton were cracked.

    Multiplicative Comparison:

    5/12

    Composed Unit:

    number of cracked eggs number of eggs total

    5/12 1

    5 12

    10 24

    Rate:

    1 cracked egg per 12/5 eggs total

    5/12 cracked egg per 1 egg total

    Part to Part Ratio:

    5:7 or 5/7

    Part to Whole Ratio:

    5:12 or 5/12

    Ratio as Quotient:

    5 cracked eggs divided by 12 eggs total

    Ratio as Rate:

    5/12 cracked eggs per 1 egg

    🙈

    • Kyle Pearce

      Administrator
      March 6, 2021 at 6:14 am

      Love the emoji! Ha!

      So much to think about, right?

      Lots of love put into these examples, which is great!

      The beauty is that you can really contrive a lot of these ideas so sometimes one of the ideas might not feel as natural, but you can still force it.

      How do you feel overall about your understanding here?

      • Nicole Jackson

        Member
        March 7, 2021 at 10:00 am

        Thanks for the feedback.

        I am on my way to really understanding each ratio type. And I agree with you, some ratios fall into place quickly and easily while others are a bit more complicated. However, learning to notice and name each ratio type is fascinating.

        More than likely, I will watch this video at least once more before moving on.

        The introduction of quotient as ratio and rate as ratio is where things became a bit shaky for me.

        Overall, I feel as though I am beginning to make sense of the information. I just need to spend a little more time unpacking it.

      • Kyle Pearce

        Administrator
        March 8, 2021 at 6:45 am

        So happy for you!

        You are approaching things from a very helpful perspective as it is impossible to truly build that understanding by simply watching the video and moving along. These reflections are going to pay off for you in the long run! Nice job!

  • Robin Bergen

    Member
    April 11, 2021 at 2:08 pm

    A wildlife conservatory maintains a ratio of 2 squirrels for every 8 birds. How many birds would there be if there were 15 squirrels?

    Multiplicative comparison: 2 squirrels: 8 birds

    Composed unit: 2:8, 4:16

    Rate: 1squirrel per4 birds

    • Kyle Pearce

      Administrator
      April 12, 2021 at 6:18 am

      Nice work here.

      A couple thoughts to consider:

      While there is a multiplicative comparison for every ratio, the type of ratio “feels” more naturally as a composed unit. Again, there is no hard rule here.

      For the rate, remember that is the result of partitive division, so it would be ___ birds per squirrel or ____ squirrels per bird.

      Little nuances that will develop as you continue through the course ! 🙂

  • Anne Sheeter

    Member
    October 7, 2021 at 10:01 pm

    In my example with llamas 75 pounds per one llama is a rate. As a part to part ratio it could be represented as 75:1, 75 to 1 or 75/1. One can scale it by multiplying both parts by 4 to get 300 pounds for 4 llamas making this a composed unit.

    • Kyle Pearce

      Administrator
      October 8, 2021 at 6:38 am

      Love me some lamas!

      One nuance that I try to keep up with is avoiding using ratio language with rates. A rate has a compound unit, so a single quantity therefore I try to avoid using the number 1 and rather say “pounds per lama”

      This really drives home the idea that a rate is the result of partitive division and a single quantity.

  • Amy Johnson

    Member
    November 24, 2021 at 2:56 pm

    I’ll refer back to my homemade shoe deodorizer: 2 oz. rubbing alcohol to 2 oz. apple cider vinegar to 2 drops of tea tree oil

    Part to Part

    2 oz. rubbing alcohol : 2 oz. apple cider vinegar

    Part to Whole

    2 oz. rubbing alcohol : 4 oz total liquid

    Quotative Division

    How many oz of rubbing alcohol in the total liquid or How many ounces total in the rubbing alcohol?

    Proportional Relationship

    Partitive Division: Ounces of rubbing alcohol per ounces of total liquid which reveals the rate

    2 oz. / 4 oz =

    Rate: 2/4 rubbing alcohol per total fluids.

  • Kristin Snell

    Member
    December 2, 2021 at 12:46 am

    A selling factor for auto makers is mpg (miles per gallon). A new Toyota is hyped to get 45 mpg, which is a rate. As a ratio, it can be represented as 45:1 or 45 miles to 1 gallon. This can be expanded onto a table with 2 columns, one for gallons and one for miles. From here you can ask questions like how many miles can you go with 9 gallons of fuel?

    These are so intertwined, it’s easy to see how we get lost. I think I’m getting better at separating the different parts.

    • Kyle Pearce

      Administrator
      December 2, 2021 at 6:27 am

      Great reflection. This clearly articulates the difference between a ratio and a rate. Your example also reminds us that the same composed unit can be represented as a ratio or divided partitively to reveal a rate.

  • Lavon Heath

    Member
    December 5, 2021 at 11:47 pm

    When cooking my turkey for Thanksgiving I planned on 1 1/2 pounds of turkey per person, which is the rate. The ratio would be 1.5:1 and I would scale that up to buy a 12 pound turkey for the 8 people coming to dinner. I can see how this could easily be framed as a composed unit. The part/part would be 1.5:1, but I am not exactly sure how I would make this into a part/whole comparison….

  • Merrillee Reboullet

    Member
    December 6, 2021 at 10:31 pm

    I previously mentioned that the rate of carrot consumption for our home is 1/2 bag per week. 1:2, 1/2. For four weeks, it would be two bags or 2:4 I have a little trouble turning the ratio around because in real world situations we don’t really talk like that so it is more abstract. It isn’t very usual to talk about the number of weeks per bags of carrots which I believe would be 2:1 or 4:2…or 52 to 26. But there I just almost created a rate using partitive division as a reflex because all of a sudden I got curious about how many bags I would need for the year. 52/2 (because the relationship is 1:2) to get 26 bags…I think I have way more so I’m probably in trouble.

    Anyway, I’m not sure I actually did what I was supposed to in this post. Some of what you were talking about in this video didn’t feel very applicable so I got lost in the terms and the round-about way of expressing things that seemed like they should be more straight-forward than all that. I did appreciate your comment not to expect students to be able to express their understanding to this level or to imagine that we should have them memorize all these terms for different ways of looking at the same thing.

    One thing I wonder about is at what level would students begin thinking like this. I shudder to think of introducing a discussion of ratios like this to my Grade 5s. We barely touch on ratios and those are generally part-whole as they relate to fractions…I feel that they wouldn’t be quite ready to think about 9/7 of a person to 1 person who likes the arts!

    • Kyle Pearce

      Administrator
      December 7, 2021 at 7:09 am

      I think your post is actually bang on. The idea is to reflect on the learning and all of your post shows you building flexibility with different ratios and rates. The intent of the video was to get you thinking about building flexibility with ratios and rates … we want to do this with students as well, but as you mentioned, not all at once. Since we are all educators, we can handle the amount of complexity that you are hit with in a single video, however students might not. So use your judgement and you will always come out on top!

  • Luke Albrecht

    Member
    February 2, 2022 at 7:04 pm

    There are 2 oranges in the fridge and 7 apples on the table. 2 apples to 7 oranges is not a fraction!! 2 oranges to 9 pieces of fruit is a fraction!! Really dig this. I also was thinking 1 to 9/7 is getting a little up in theoretical head space and then to hear you say–this then takes us to percent–wow, just wow. Thanks.

    • Kyle Pearce

      Administrator
      February 3, 2022 at 7:11 am

      💥crazy right?

      Remember, we can represent a ratio with a fraction bar, but it is still a ratio. Glad you’re digging the learning!